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Madog ab Idnerth, arglwydd of Maelienydd and Ceri

Male Abt 1070 - 1140  (70 years)


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  • Name Madog ab Idnerth   [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11] 
    Suffix arglwydd of Maelienydd and Ceri 
    Born Abt 1070  of, , Radnorshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Christened {Tribe: Elystan Glodrydd} Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died 1140  [12, 13, 14] 
    Person ID I100002717  My Genealogy
    Last Modified 12 Feb 2011 

    Family 1 Rhanullt ferch Gruffudd,   b. Abt 1100, of, , Caernarvonshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Last Modified 1 Jun 2005 
    Family ID F100002189  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Gwenllian ferch Rhys,   b. Abt 1070, of, Dynefwr, Llandeilo Fawr, Carmarthenshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Last Modified 18 Jul 2005 
    Family ID F100002190  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • KINSHIP: Eldest son. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 2 p. 300)

      LIVING: 1136.
      LIVING: 1141. (Evans, British Genealogist, book 6 p. F20)
      PROPERTY: Lord of Ceri and part of Cedewain. (Dwnn, Heraldic Visitations of Wales, vol. 1 p. 313)
      PROPERTY: Lord of Melineydd, Elfel, and Gwerthrynion. (Shropshire Genealogies-JM)
      PROPERTY: Lord of Melineydd. (Dwnn, Heraldic Visitations of Wales, vol. 1 p. 332)
      PROPERTY: Lordships of Maelienydd, Ceri, and Elfael. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 2 p. 300,305)

      DEATH: 1139/1140.

      REMARKS: In 1136 he took part with Owain and Cadwaladr, the sons of Gruffudd ap Cynan, in their victorious attack upon the Normans in Cardiganshire, in which the latter were defeated and their encroachments checked. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 2 p. 300)
      REMARKS: In Wales till the middle of the 12th century individuals were styled 'Brenin' meaning chief or high one, and 'Arglwydd' meaning lord or master.

      (Research) KINSHIP: Investigate> Lloyd's 'History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog' volume 2 page 301 gives him a son named Rhys and a daughter named Elen who supposedly married Adda ap Gruffudd ap Madog. The daughter Elen is probably an error because of generational problems.

      (Research) KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Evans' 'British Genealogist' book 8 page H28 omits this generation from the name string.
      (Research) KINSHIP: Investigate> Evans' 'British Genealogist' book 6 page F55 makes Gwenllian ferch Rhys the mother of his children, but Rhanullt ferch Gruffudd is not mentioned.
      (Research) KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Evans' 'British Genealogist' book 6 page F55 gives him additional sons named Adda, but he is the son of Madog ap Maredudd, and Robert who daughter Annes married Gruffudd "Foel" ab Ifor ap Cydifor, but his seems to be a mistake for the entry on the left side of the page where Gruffudd "Foel" ap Madog is married to Jonet ferch Ifor Cydifor.
      (Research) KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 2 page 22 omits this generation from the name string.
      (Research) MARRIAGE: Conflict/Error> Evans' 'British Genealogist' book 7 page G20 states he married Jane ferch of Rhys "Gryg".

  • Sources 
    1. [S100000267] History of Wales, Lloyd, Sir John Edward, (2 vols. Longmans, Green and Company. 1911), FHL 942.9 H2l., vol. 2 p. 477.

    2. [S100000325] WG 300-1400 - 5th List, Bartrum, Peter C., (Aberystwyth. Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru / The National Library of Wales. 1996.), FHL 942.9 Dwbp supp. 5., p. 21.

    3. [S100000652] #1843 The Visitation of Shropshire, Taken in the Year 1623 (1889), Treswell, Robert (main author), (Publications of the Harleian Society: Visitations, volumes 28, 29. London: [Harleian Society], 1889), FHL book 942 B4h volumes 28-29; FHL microfilm 162,., vol. 29 p. 285*, 384.

    4. [S100000712] #1039 Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families: with Their Collateral Branches in Denbighshire, Merionethshire (1914), Griffith, John Edwards, (Horncastle, England: W.K. Morton, 1914), FHL book Folio 942.9 D2gr; FHL microfilm 468,334., p. 46, 244.

    5. [S100001800] #771 The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fodog and the Ancient Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen and Meirionydd (1881-1887), Lloyd, Jacob Youde William, (6 volumes. London: T. Richards, 1881-1887), FHL book 942.9 D2L; FHL microfilms 990,213-990,214., vol. 1 p. 82, 88, 111, 112, 126; vol. 2 p. 300, 305, 323*, 326; vol. 4 p. 364.

    6. [S100002411] #11915 British Genealogy (filmed 1950), Evans, Alcwyn Caryni, (Books A to H. National Library of Wales MSS 12359-12360D. Manuscript filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,355 and 104,390 item 2., book 1 p. 145; book 2 p. B100; book 6 p. F20*, 55*; book 7 p. G20; book 8 p. H8*.

    7. [S100002416] #12627 Genealogy of Shropshire [by Joseph Morris] (filmed 1966), Morris, Joseph, (10 volumes. Manuscript filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1966), vol. 1-2 FHL microfilm 504,551; vol.3-4 FHL microf., vol. 2 p. 873*; vol. 3 p. 1240.

    8. [S100002420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 5 p. C607.

    9. [S100002434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 1 p. 252, 313*, 332*; vol. 2 p. 15, 17, 63*, 109, 175.

    10. [S100002437] #4568 Welsh Genealogies, AD 300-1400 (1980), Bartrum, Peter C. (Peter Clement), (25 volumes, with supplements containing additions and corrections. [Wales]: University of Wales Press, 1980), FHL book 942.9 D2bp; FHL microfiche 6025561., vol. 2 p. 30; vol. 6 p. 354, 386, 391, 393; vol. 7 p. 443; vol. 8 p. 532; vol. 10 p. 776; vol. 11 p. 854, 867.

    11. [S100004860] Pedigree of Owen of Llunllo and Bettws, Grazebrook, George F.S.A., ((London: Mitchell and Hughes: 1887); digital images, Google Books (http://www.Google.com/books : accessed 7 Feb 2011)), p. 7.

    12. [S100000267] History of Wales, Lloyd, Sir John Edward, (2 vols. Longmans, Green and Company. 1911), FHL 942.9 H2l., vol. 2 p. 477 fn. 59.

    13. [S100000652] #1843 The Visitation of Shropshire, Taken in the Year 1623 (1889), Treswell, Robert (main author), (Publications of the Harleian Society: Visitations, volumes 28, 29. London: [Harleian Society], 1889), FHL book 942 B4h volumes 28-29; FHL microfilm 162,., vol. 29 p. 285.

    14. [S100001800] #771 The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fodog and the Ancient Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen and Meirionydd (1881-1887), Lloyd, Jacob Youde William, (6 volumes. London: T. Richards, 1881-1887), FHL book 942.9 D2L; FHL microfilms 990,213-990,214., vol. 1 p. 111; vol. 2 p. 300; vol. 4 p. 364.


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