Rhirid "Flaidd" ap Gwrgeneu, arglywdd of Penllyn, Efionydd, and PennantMelangel b. Abt 1170 of, Neuaddau, Rhiwaedog, Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales d. 1207: Minnig Family History

Abt 1170 - 1207 (37 years)

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Name	Rhirid "Flaidd" ap Gwrgeneu [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]
Suffix	arglywdd of Penllyn, Efionydd, and PennantMelangel
Nickname	Flaidd
Born	Abt 1170	of, Neuaddau, Rhiwaedog, Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales
Christened	{Tribe: Rhirid Flaidd}
Gender	Male
Died	1207 [1, 9, 10]
Person ID	I100004411	My Genealogy
Last Modified	19 Jul 2006

Father	Gwrgeneu ap Gollwyn, arglwydd of Penllyn, The Bryn and Pennant Melangel, b. Abt 1130, of, Mochnant Is Rhaeadr commote, Denbighshire, Wales , d. Yes, date unknown
Mother	Haer ferch Cynfyn "Hirdref", b. Abt 1130, of, Nefyn, Caernarvonshire, Wales , d. Yes, date unknown
Family ID	F100000888	Group Sheet \| Family Chart

Family Gwenllian ferch Ednyfed, b. Abt 1170, of, Broughton, Wrecsam, Denbighshire, Wales , d. Yes, date unknown

Children

	1. Gwenllian ferch Rhirid "Flaidd", b. Abt 1200, of, Neuaddau, Rhiwaedog, Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales , d. Yes, date unknown
	2. Madog ap Rhirid "Flaidd", b. Abt 1200, of, Rhiwaedog, Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales , d. Yes, date unknown
	3. Einion ap Rhirid "Flaidd", b. Abt 1200, of, Neuaddau, Rhiwaedog, Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales , d. 1263, Diserth Castle, Allt Melyd, Prestatyn, Flintshire, Wales (Age 63 years)

Last Modified 25 Jul 2005

Family ID F100002853 Group Sheet | Family Chart

Notes

(Research):KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Griffith's 'Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families' pages 54 and 269 gives incorrect descendancy.
KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Lloyd's 'History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog' volume 3 page 332 calls him Rhirid "Fychan" ap Rhirid "Flaidd".
KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Lloyd's 'History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog' volume 4 page 117 and volume 6 page 119 make his grandson Rhirid "Fychan" his son.
KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Griffith's 'Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families' page 394 gives him two additional sons, Rhys and Maredudd.
DEATH: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 29 page 389 gives the death date as 1108.
EPITHET: "Flaidd" ("Wolf"). (Evans, British Genealogist, book 5 p. E65)

DISTINCTION: Arglwydd (Lord) of the Llys (court) of Mochnant Uwch Rhaeadr.

RESIDENCE: He resided at Neuaddau Gleision in Rhiwaedog, circa 1133-1159. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 4 p. 45,294)
PROPERTY: Principal proprietor of Pennant Melangell.
PROPERTY: Lord of Penllyn. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 5 p. 281)
PROPERTY: Lord of the five parishes of Penllyn, Efionydd, Pennant Melangel, and Glyn in Powys and of the eleven towns in the hundred of Oswestry. (Dwnn, Heraldic Visitations of Wales, vol. 2 p. 334 fn. 14)
PROPERTY: Lord of Penllyn, Pennant Melangel, Glyn, and the eleven towns in the cantref of Trefryd, and of Gêst in Efionydd. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 4 p. 45)

DEATH: The death date is from the Chirk Castle MSS. at the NLW, DWB p. 675. For a list of his supposed possessions see PP1 p. 137. (Bartrum, Welsh Genealogies - Additions and Corrections 300-1400, 5th List, p. 35 Rh. Fl. 1 fn. 2)

REMARKS: Englyn> composed by the bard Cynddelw> "Mae im Flaidd a'm Car, o'm caffael wrthaw - Yn wrthel gerth, Afaes, - Nid blaidd Coed williaidd allael - Ond Blaidd Maes, moesawg a hael." (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 4 p. 46)
REMARKS: Elegy> The Bard Cynddelw composed two elegies on Rhirid "Flaidd" which are given in 'Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog' volume 1 pages 320 and 326, written first in Welsh, then an English translation.
REMARKS: In Wales till the middle of the 12th century individuals were styled 'Arglwydd' meaning lord or master.

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