Elidir "Gôch" ab Idnerth "Fychan"

Abt 1200 - Yes, date unknown

• Name	Elidir "Gôch" ab Idnerth "Fychan"   [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]
  Nickname	Gôch
  Born	Abt 1200	of, , Radnorshire, Wales
  Christened	{Tribe: Elystan Glodrydd}
  Gender	Male
  Died	Yes, date unknown
  Person ID	I100008769	My Genealogy
  Last Modified	12 Dec 2020

  
  

  Father	Idnerth ap Llywelyn "Wallt Euraid",   b. Abt 1130, of, , Radnorshire, Wales ,   d. Yes, date unknown
  Family ID	F200007338	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	Gwenllian ferch Maredudd,   b. Abt 1230, of, Dryslwyn, Llangathen, Carmarthenshire, Wales ,   d. Yes, date unknown
  Last Modified	27 Aug 2002
  Family ID	F100007337	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

• Notes

  RESIDENCE: Llangathen. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 5 p. 67) (Research):KINSHIP: Investigate> Bartrum's 'Welsh Genealogies 300-1400' volume 6 pages 372 and 402 show three possible fathers, 1) Idnerth ap Llywelyn Wallt Eduraid ap Madog ap Llywelyn ap Cadwgon*, 2) Cunedda ap Gruffudd ap Elidir ap Owain ap Idnerth ap Cadwgon*, 3) son ap son ap Gwrgeneu ap Gwrgeneu ap Idnerth ap Cadwgon*. KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 1 page 91 and volume 2 page 59 gives a different pedigree from this point on. KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 1 page 139 makes him the son of Gwrgeneu "Fychan" ap Gwrgeneu. KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 1 page 139 inserts an extra genertation between Elidir "Goch" and his son Gronwy called Elidir "Fychan". KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 2 pages 24 and 30 call him Elidir "Gôch" ap Gwrgeneu "Fychan" ap Gwrgeneu ab Idnerth ab Llywelyn ab ap Cadwgon ab Elystan "Glodrudd". KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 2 page 31 calls him "Elidr ab Owein ab Yerorth ab Elistan ab Madog ab Moreiddig ab Selif ab Grh ab Elisse ab Isgordia vichan ab Isgordia vawr ab Elisse ab Elay ab Rrain ab Brychan Brychynog ab Koniwg brenin Iwerddon, Penrryn, Dyfed." KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> 'British Genealogist' book 1 page 69 and book 6 page F37 make him the son of Gwrgeneu "Fychan" ap Gwrgeneu. KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> 'British Genealogist' book 1 pages 69 and 186 and book 6 page F35 insert an extra genertation between Elidir "Goch" and his sons Gronwy and Gruffudd called Elidir "Fychan". KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> 'British Genealogist' book 1 pages 186 and 289 call him Elidir "Goch" ap Gwrgeneu "Fychan" ap Gwrgeneu [Fawr] ap Llywelyn ap Idnerth ap Cadwgon ap Elystan "Glodrudd". KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> 'British Genealogist' book 1 page 19 calls him "Elidyr ab Owen ab Iorwerth ab Elystan ab Madoc ab Moreiddig ab Selyf, lord of Cwmwd, ab Brychan Brycheinog, lord of Gaermarthrin or Garthmadrin" or "some make this Elidyr son of Owen ab Idnerth ab Cadwgan ab Athlestan Glodrydd". KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Lloyd's 'History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog' volume 4 page 121 and volume 5 page 67 call him Elidir ap Owain ap Llywelyn ap Cadwgon, Lord of Buellt. KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> 'Griffith, Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families' page 202 calls him Elidir ap Owain ap Idnerth ap Cadwgon, Lord of Maesyfed and Buellt, ap Elystan "Glodrydd". MARRIAGE: Conflict/Error> 'Griffith, Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families' page 202 gives him wife as Arddun ferch Tudur ap Gronwy ap Einion ap Seisyll. RESIDENCE: Llangathen. (Lloyd, History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog, vol. 5 p. 67) (Research):KINSHIP: Investigate> Bartrum's 'Welsh Genealogies 300-1400' volume 6 pages 372 and 402 show three possible fathers, 1) Idnerth ap Llywelyn Wallt Eduraid ap Madog ap Llywelyn ap Cadwgon*, 2) Cunedda ap Gruffudd ap Elidir ap Owain ap Idnerth ap Cadwgon*, 3) son ap son ap Gwrgeneu ap Gwrgeneu ap Idnerth ap Cadwgon*. KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 1 page 91 and volume 2 page 59 gives a different pedigree from this point on. KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 1 page 139 makes him the son of Gwrgeneu "Fychan" ap Gwrgeneu. KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 1 page 139 inserts an extra genertation between Elidir "Goch" and his son Gronwy called Elidir "Fychan". KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 2 pages 24 and 30 call him Elidir "Gôch" ap Gwrgeneu "Fychan" ap Gwrgeneu ab Idnerth ab Llywelyn ab ap Cadwgon ab Elystan "Glodrudd". KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 2 page 31 calls him "Elidr ab Owein ab Yerorth ab Elistan ab Madog ab Moreiddig ab Selif ab Grh ab Elisse ab Isgordia vichan ab Isgordia vawr ab Elisse ab Elay ab Rrain ab Brychan Brychynog ab Koniwg brenin Iwerddon, Penrryn, Dyfed." KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> 'British Genealogist' book 1 page 69 and book 6 page F37 make him the son of Gwrgeneu "Fychan" ap Gwrgeneu. KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> 'British Genealogist' book 1 pages 69 and 186 and book 6 page F35 insert an extra genertation between Elidir "Goch" and his sons Gronwy and Gruffudd called Elidir "Fychan". KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> 'British Genealogist' book 1 pages 186 and 289 call him Elidir "Goch" ap Gwrgeneu "Fychan" ap Gwrgeneu [Fawr] ap Llywelyn ap Idnerth ap Cadwgon ap Elystan "Glodrudd". KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> 'British Genealogist' book 1 page 19 calls him "Elidyr ab Owen ab Iorwerth ab Elystan ab Madoc ab Moreiddig ab Selyf, lord of Cwmwd, ab Brychan Brycheinog, lord of Gaermarthrin or Garthmadrin" or "some make this Elidyr son of Owen ab Idnerth ab Cadwgan ab Athlestan Glodrydd". KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Lloyd's 'History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog' volume 4 page 121 and volume 5 page 67 call him Elidir ap Owain ap Llywelyn ap Cadwgon, Lord of Buellt. KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> 'Griffith, Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families' page 202 calls him Elidir ap Owain ap Idnerth ap Cadwgon, Lord of Maesyfed and Buellt, ap Elystan "Glodrydd". MARRIAGE: Conflict/Error> 'Griffith, Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families' page 202 gives him wife as Arddun ferch Tudur ap Gronwy ap Einion ap Seisyll.

  
  

• Sources

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